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Ever since I found out about the green blooded skink, I have wondered if it's possible for other blood colours to evolve among vertebrates, specifically blue in mammals.










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    Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
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  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
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  • An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
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  • Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
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    Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
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  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
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  • An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
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  • Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
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    Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
    – dot_Sp0T
    10 hours ago










  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
    – Ville Niemi
    9 hours ago










  • An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
    – MTCoster
    4 hours ago










  • Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
    – elemtilas
    1 hour ago














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    Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
    – dot_Sp0T
    10 hours ago










  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
    – Ville Niemi
    9 hours ago










  • An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
    – MTCoster
    4 hours ago










  • Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
    – elemtilas
    1 hour ago








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Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
– dot_Sp0T
10 hours ago




Possible duplicate of Other blood colors
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10 hours ago












en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
– Ville Niemi
9 hours ago




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channichthyidae
– Ville Niemi
9 hours ago












An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
– MTCoster
4 hours ago




An interesting read on blood colors: compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood
– MTCoster
4 hours ago












Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago




Not exactly a duplicate: the other query simply asks about blood colours based on metal content. This query specifies blood colour within mammalian biology. A different kettle of fish!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago










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I can't see why not. Octopi have blue blood. Apparently its due to a protein called Hemocyanin that binds with copper. So its clearly physically possible in complex Earth life.



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    Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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  • @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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  • @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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For endotherms, iron is in the heme groups binding oxygen, yielding a reddish color.



For ectotherms, copper is in the heme group binding oxygen, yielding a bluish color.




In order to bind oxygen, each protein chain binds to one heme group, allowing a maximum of four oxygen molecules to bind per one hemoglobin molecule.



At heme's center sits an iron molecule. The iron makes heme look red-brown. But what if the iron is swapped for a different metal?



...in cold-blooded animals, blood appears blue because copper atoms sit at the center of the ring and bind to oxygen.




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It is probably a good bet that binding affinities for the iron-heme-O2/CO2 complex at 98F are better attuned to optimal gas exchange relative to the copper-heme-O2/CO2 complex, since this is precisely the substitution which occurred during mammalian evolution, thru many intermediate steps, doubtless, including modification of the carrying protein/heme platform.



Which means blue blood is not favored relative to red blood, for mammals.



Impossible though? Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources. That would be something for a molecular biologist to grapple with. I expect toxicity would likely be a large experimental hurdle, the process likely including reactivation of hemocyanin biosynthesis, per Molot.






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  • so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
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    Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
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    " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
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I am going with probably not



This is entirely possible in the sense of why not. Its not like blood color is a factor in its function, merely a byproduct. Its just our evolution resulted in iron based hemoglobin so walla red blood.



Here's why I say probably not:



We and most mammals are pretty complicated organisms. Blood is a pretty basic functioning trait. Its kind of unlikely that evolution would seek to revise our blood color without a strong reason. Some would hat wave mating for this but I feel its pretty safe to say blood isn't going to play out in most mammals mating habits unless vampires become a thing.



Maybe our nature can find improved immunity function that changes its color. And this is really the complicated part. Finding some adaptation that requires significant change in the blood chemistry to result in change of the color.






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    Id like to hear why this got downvoted
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  • I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
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    There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
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    This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
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    "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
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It is possible. Hemocyanin would be what you would use and not hemoglobin. As stated, hemocyanin is worse at oxygen transport, compared to hemoglobin. But not all hemocyanins are the same, there are more effecient versions with better cooperative binding.



If you go with methods of directed evolution, we use to produce better enzymes, you could hope to produce hemocyanin, that would be good replacement for hemoglobin.



That for sure would take a lot of changes in your body to make it work well after that. But it is possible.






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    Hemoglobin (red) is better at transporting oxygen at the body temperature of mammals (around 38°C). It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for a mammal to have hemocyanin, because it would suffer from permanent "lack of oxygen" relative to other mammals with hemoglobin. Think of the blue-blooded antelope being out of breath more quickly than the red-blooded antelope. The lions would eat all the blue-blooded antelopes first.



    Hemocyanin is better at transporting oxygen at the low body temperatures that ectotherms often have to function with. Blue blood is an evolutionary advantage for animals with low or changing body temperatures.



    It has been suggested that warm-bloodedness helped mammals (and birds) better cope with fluctuating temperatures during Earth's history. If that is correct, cold-bloodedness (and blue blood) would have led to the extinction of mammals.





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    • German wikipedia articles on body temperature and hemocyanin.






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      I can't see why not. Octopi have blue blood. Apparently its due to a protein called Hemocyanin that binds with copper. So its clearly physically possible in complex Earth life.



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        Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      • @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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      • @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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      I can't see why not. Octopi have blue blood. Apparently its due to a protein called Hemocyanin that binds with copper. So its clearly physically possible in complex Earth life.



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        Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      • @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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      • @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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      I can't see why not. Octopi have blue blood. Apparently its due to a protein called Hemocyanin that binds with copper. So its clearly physically possible in complex Earth life.



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      I can't see why not. Octopi have blue blood. Apparently its due to a protein called Hemocyanin that binds with copper. So its clearly physically possible in complex Earth life.



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        Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      • @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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      • @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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        Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      • @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
        – Eries
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      • @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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      Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      Hemocyanin is less effective than hemoglobin, and mammals require a lot of oxygen. We mammals have a fine tuned, extremely efficient metabolism at the price of being prone to even slightly lower oxygen supply. That's why not.
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      @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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      @Mołot mammals have lacatate which makes them survive and thrive in situations where the body can't get enough oxygen, not to be confused with lactic acid.
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      @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
      – Mołot
      5 hours ago






      @Eries yes, mammals have support mechanisms that helps. Still, as pointed here, worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/130546/… switching to more efficient base mechanism waa important part of evolution. Part that was only followed by further improvements, improvements you don't find in hemocyanin organisms.
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      For endotherms, iron is in the heme groups binding oxygen, yielding a reddish color.



      For ectotherms, copper is in the heme group binding oxygen, yielding a bluish color.




      In order to bind oxygen, each protein chain binds to one heme group, allowing a maximum of four oxygen molecules to bind per one hemoglobin molecule.



      At heme's center sits an iron molecule. The iron makes heme look red-brown. But what if the iron is swapped for a different metal?



      ...in cold-blooded animals, blood appears blue because copper atoms sit at the center of the ring and bind to oxygen.




      link



      It is probably a good bet that binding affinities for the iron-heme-O2/CO2 complex at 98F are better attuned to optimal gas exchange relative to the copper-heme-O2/CO2 complex, since this is precisely the substitution which occurred during mammalian evolution, thru many intermediate steps, doubtless, including modification of the carrying protein/heme platform.



      Which means blue blood is not favored relative to red blood, for mammals.



      Impossible though? Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources. That would be something for a molecular biologist to grapple with. I expect toxicity would likely be a large experimental hurdle, the process likely including reactivation of hemocyanin biosynthesis, per Molot.






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      • so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
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        Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






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        " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
        – Mołot
        8 hours ago










      • @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
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        6 hours ago















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      For endotherms, iron is in the heme groups binding oxygen, yielding a reddish color.



      For ectotherms, copper is in the heme group binding oxygen, yielding a bluish color.




      In order to bind oxygen, each protein chain binds to one heme group, allowing a maximum of four oxygen molecules to bind per one hemoglobin molecule.



      At heme's center sits an iron molecule. The iron makes heme look red-brown. But what if the iron is swapped for a different metal?



      ...in cold-blooded animals, blood appears blue because copper atoms sit at the center of the ring and bind to oxygen.




      link



      It is probably a good bet that binding affinities for the iron-heme-O2/CO2 complex at 98F are better attuned to optimal gas exchange relative to the copper-heme-O2/CO2 complex, since this is precisely the substitution which occurred during mammalian evolution, thru many intermediate steps, doubtless, including modification of the carrying protein/heme platform.



      Which means blue blood is not favored relative to red blood, for mammals.



      Impossible though? Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources. That would be something for a molecular biologist to grapple with. I expect toxicity would likely be a large experimental hurdle, the process likely including reactivation of hemocyanin biosynthesis, per Molot.






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      • so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






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        Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






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        " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
        – Mołot
        8 hours ago










      • @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
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      enter image description hereenter image description here



      For endotherms, iron is in the heme groups binding oxygen, yielding a reddish color.



      For ectotherms, copper is in the heme group binding oxygen, yielding a bluish color.




      In order to bind oxygen, each protein chain binds to one heme group, allowing a maximum of four oxygen molecules to bind per one hemoglobin molecule.



      At heme's center sits an iron molecule. The iron makes heme look red-brown. But what if the iron is swapped for a different metal?



      ...in cold-blooded animals, blood appears blue because copper atoms sit at the center of the ring and bind to oxygen.




      link



      It is probably a good bet that binding affinities for the iron-heme-O2/CO2 complex at 98F are better attuned to optimal gas exchange relative to the copper-heme-O2/CO2 complex, since this is precisely the substitution which occurred during mammalian evolution, thru many intermediate steps, doubtless, including modification of the carrying protein/heme platform.



      Which means blue blood is not favored relative to red blood, for mammals.



      Impossible though? Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources. That would be something for a molecular biologist to grapple with. I expect toxicity would likely be a large experimental hurdle, the process likely including reactivation of hemocyanin biosynthesis, per Molot.






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      enter image description hereenter image description here



      For endotherms, iron is in the heme groups binding oxygen, yielding a reddish color.



      For ectotherms, copper is in the heme group binding oxygen, yielding a bluish color.




      In order to bind oxygen, each protein chain binds to one heme group, allowing a maximum of four oxygen molecules to bind per one hemoglobin molecule.



      At heme's center sits an iron molecule. The iron makes heme look red-brown. But what if the iron is swapped for a different metal?



      ...in cold-blooded animals, blood appears blue because copper atoms sit at the center of the ring and bind to oxygen.




      link



      It is probably a good bet that binding affinities for the iron-heme-O2/CO2 complex at 98F are better attuned to optimal gas exchange relative to the copper-heme-O2/CO2 complex, since this is precisely the substitution which occurred during mammalian evolution, thru many intermediate steps, doubtless, including modification of the carrying protein/heme platform.



      Which means blue blood is not favored relative to red blood, for mammals.



      Impossible though? Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources. That would be something for a molecular biologist to grapple with. I expect toxicity would likely be a large experimental hurdle, the process likely including reactivation of hemocyanin biosynthesis, per Molot.







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      • so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
        – theRiley
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        Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






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        " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
        – Mołot
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      • @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
        – theRiley
        6 hours ago


















      • so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






      • 1




        " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
        – Mołot
        8 hours ago










      • @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
        – theRiley
        6 hours ago
















      so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
      – theRiley
      13 hours ago




      so in addition to all the other physiological modifications which went into the transition from ectothermy to endothermy, there was a wholesale swap of the metallic cofactor mediating gas transfer in the blood from copper to iron - amazing. the fact that iron is vastly more prevalent in the crustal distribution probably eased that, somewhat.
      – theRiley
      13 hours ago




      2




      2




      Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
      – wizzwizz4
      8 hours ago




      Just in case this is confusing people: the precipitate colour, not the flame test colour, determines the colour of blood; copper (II) forms a blue ionic precipitate, but emits green light in a flame test. Medical News Today is being wrong.
      – wizzwizz4
      8 hours ago




      1




      1




      " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
      – Mołot
      8 hours ago




      " Such an experiment could perhaps be run by depleting iron and raising the availability of suitable copper sources." — this, plus bringing back metabolic paths for hemocyanin, instead of or along the hemoglobin ones.
      – Mołot
      8 hours ago












      @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
      – theRiley
      6 hours ago




      @wizzwizz4 -edited to remove the potential for confusion.
      – theRiley
      6 hours ago










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      I am going with probably not



      This is entirely possible in the sense of why not. Its not like blood color is a factor in its function, merely a byproduct. Its just our evolution resulted in iron based hemoglobin so walla red blood.



      Here's why I say probably not:



      We and most mammals are pretty complicated organisms. Blood is a pretty basic functioning trait. Its kind of unlikely that evolution would seek to revise our blood color without a strong reason. Some would hat wave mating for this but I feel its pretty safe to say blood isn't going to play out in most mammals mating habits unless vampires become a thing.



      Maybe our nature can find improved immunity function that changes its color. And this is really the complicated part. Finding some adaptation that requires significant change in the blood chemistry to result in change of the color.






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        Id like to hear why this got downvoted
        – anon
        14 hours ago










      • I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






      • 1




        There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
        – Mike Nichols
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






      • 1




        "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
        – Sergio Tulentsev
        2 hours ago















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      I am going with probably not



      This is entirely possible in the sense of why not. Its not like blood color is a factor in its function, merely a byproduct. Its just our evolution resulted in iron based hemoglobin so walla red blood.



      Here's why I say probably not:



      We and most mammals are pretty complicated organisms. Blood is a pretty basic functioning trait. Its kind of unlikely that evolution would seek to revise our blood color without a strong reason. Some would hat wave mating for this but I feel its pretty safe to say blood isn't going to play out in most mammals mating habits unless vampires become a thing.



      Maybe our nature can find improved immunity function that changes its color. And this is really the complicated part. Finding some adaptation that requires significant change in the blood chemistry to result in change of the color.






      share|improve this answer

















      • 1




        Id like to hear why this got downvoted
        – anon
        14 hours ago










      • I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






      • 1




        There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
        – Mike Nichols
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






      • 1




        "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
        – Sergio Tulentsev
        2 hours ago













      up vote
      0
      down vote










      up vote
      0
      down vote









      I am going with probably not



      This is entirely possible in the sense of why not. Its not like blood color is a factor in its function, merely a byproduct. Its just our evolution resulted in iron based hemoglobin so walla red blood.



      Here's why I say probably not:



      We and most mammals are pretty complicated organisms. Blood is a pretty basic functioning trait. Its kind of unlikely that evolution would seek to revise our blood color without a strong reason. Some would hat wave mating for this but I feel its pretty safe to say blood isn't going to play out in most mammals mating habits unless vampires become a thing.



      Maybe our nature can find improved immunity function that changes its color. And this is really the complicated part. Finding some adaptation that requires significant change in the blood chemistry to result in change of the color.






      share|improve this answer












      I am going with probably not



      This is entirely possible in the sense of why not. Its not like blood color is a factor in its function, merely a byproduct. Its just our evolution resulted in iron based hemoglobin so walla red blood.



      Here's why I say probably not:



      We and most mammals are pretty complicated organisms. Blood is a pretty basic functioning trait. Its kind of unlikely that evolution would seek to revise our blood color without a strong reason. Some would hat wave mating for this but I feel its pretty safe to say blood isn't going to play out in most mammals mating habits unless vampires become a thing.



      Maybe our nature can find improved immunity function that changes its color. And this is really the complicated part. Finding some adaptation that requires significant change in the blood chemistry to result in change of the color.







      share|improve this answer












      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer










      answered 14 hours ago









      anon

      10.1k1357




      10.1k1357








      • 1




        Id like to hear why this got downvoted
        – anon
        14 hours ago










      • I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






      • 1




        There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
        – Mike Nichols
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






      • 1




        "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
        – Sergio Tulentsev
        2 hours ago














      • 1




        Id like to hear why this got downvoted
        – anon
        14 hours ago










      • I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
        – theRiley
        13 hours ago






      • 1




        There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
        – Mike Nichols
        13 hours ago






      • 2




        This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
        – wizzwizz4
        8 hours ago






      • 1




        "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
        – Sergio Tulentsev
        2 hours ago








      1




      1




      Id like to hear why this got downvoted
      – anon
      14 hours ago




      Id like to hear why this got downvoted
      – anon
      14 hours ago












      I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
      – theRiley
      13 hours ago




      I suppose because its a guess, and a wrong one. I don't like downvoting, but we shouldn't be guessing around here - speculating is ok, but not about matters which can be determined as matters of fact. I get downvoted too, and usually without explanation, sometimes I think unreasonably. I hope you don't feel that way about mine.
      – theRiley
      13 hours ago




      1




      1




      There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
      – Mike Nichols
      13 hours ago




      There are an infinite number of possible reasons why a mammal might evolve blue blood and as you acknowledge no reason why blue color would necessarily be detrimental. Take the skink example. Why does it accumulate high quantities of biliverdin? Who knows. If the question was "Can a reptile evolve green blood?" and we hadn't discovered this family of skinks you could use this same answer to say that a green-blooded reptile would be unlikely to evolve. If there existed a blue-blooded mammal no one would say that it couldn't have evolved. The question is "Is it possible?" The answer is "Yes."
      – Mike Nichols
      13 hours ago




      2




      2




      This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
      – wizzwizz4
      8 hours ago




      This answer is correct; it's unlikely. However, it doesn't answer the question "would it be possible".
      – wizzwizz4
      8 hours ago




      1




      1




      "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
      – Sergio Tulentsev
      2 hours ago




      "walla red blood" - you mean "voilà"? :)
      – Sergio Tulentsev
      2 hours ago










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      It is possible. Hemocyanin would be what you would use and not hemoglobin. As stated, hemocyanin is worse at oxygen transport, compared to hemoglobin. But not all hemocyanins are the same, there are more effecient versions with better cooperative binding.



      If you go with methods of directed evolution, we use to produce better enzymes, you could hope to produce hemocyanin, that would be good replacement for hemoglobin.



      That for sure would take a lot of changes in your body to make it work well after that. But it is possible.






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        It is possible. Hemocyanin would be what you would use and not hemoglobin. As stated, hemocyanin is worse at oxygen transport, compared to hemoglobin. But not all hemocyanins are the same, there are more effecient versions with better cooperative binding.



        If you go with methods of directed evolution, we use to produce better enzymes, you could hope to produce hemocyanin, that would be good replacement for hemoglobin.



        That for sure would take a lot of changes in your body to make it work well after that. But it is possible.






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          It is possible. Hemocyanin would be what you would use and not hemoglobin. As stated, hemocyanin is worse at oxygen transport, compared to hemoglobin. But not all hemocyanins are the same, there are more effecient versions with better cooperative binding.



          If you go with methods of directed evolution, we use to produce better enzymes, you could hope to produce hemocyanin, that would be good replacement for hemoglobin.



          That for sure would take a lot of changes in your body to make it work well after that. But it is possible.






          share|improve this answer












          It is possible. Hemocyanin would be what you would use and not hemoglobin. As stated, hemocyanin is worse at oxygen transport, compared to hemoglobin. But not all hemocyanins are the same, there are more effecient versions with better cooperative binding.



          If you go with methods of directed evolution, we use to produce better enzymes, you could hope to produce hemocyanin, that would be good replacement for hemoglobin.



          That for sure would take a lot of changes in your body to make it work well after that. But it is possible.







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          answered 3 hours ago









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              I want to support @anon's answer of



              Probably not



              and substantiate their assumption with scientific fact:



              Hemoglobin (red) is better at transporting oxygen at the body temperature of mammals (around 38°C). It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for a mammal to have hemocyanin, because it would suffer from permanent "lack of oxygen" relative to other mammals with hemoglobin. Think of the blue-blooded antelope being out of breath more quickly than the red-blooded antelope. The lions would eat all the blue-blooded antelopes first.



              Hemocyanin is better at transporting oxygen at the low body temperatures that ectotherms often have to function with. Blue blood is an evolutionary advantage for animals with low or changing body temperatures.



              It has been suggested that warm-bloodedness helped mammals (and birds) better cope with fluctuating temperatures during Earth's history. If that is correct, cold-bloodedness (and blue blood) would have led to the extinction of mammals.





              Other sources:




              • German wikipedia articles on body temperature and hemocyanin.






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                I want to support @anon's answer of



                Probably not



                and substantiate their assumption with scientific fact:



                Hemoglobin (red) is better at transporting oxygen at the body temperature of mammals (around 38°C). It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for a mammal to have hemocyanin, because it would suffer from permanent "lack of oxygen" relative to other mammals with hemoglobin. Think of the blue-blooded antelope being out of breath more quickly than the red-blooded antelope. The lions would eat all the blue-blooded antelopes first.



                Hemocyanin is better at transporting oxygen at the low body temperatures that ectotherms often have to function with. Blue blood is an evolutionary advantage for animals with low or changing body temperatures.



                It has been suggested that warm-bloodedness helped mammals (and birds) better cope with fluctuating temperatures during Earth's history. If that is correct, cold-bloodedness (and blue blood) would have led to the extinction of mammals.





                Other sources:




                • German wikipedia articles on body temperature and hemocyanin.






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                  I want to support @anon's answer of



                  Probably not



                  and substantiate their assumption with scientific fact:



                  Hemoglobin (red) is better at transporting oxygen at the body temperature of mammals (around 38°C). It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for a mammal to have hemocyanin, because it would suffer from permanent "lack of oxygen" relative to other mammals with hemoglobin. Think of the blue-blooded antelope being out of breath more quickly than the red-blooded antelope. The lions would eat all the blue-blooded antelopes first.



                  Hemocyanin is better at transporting oxygen at the low body temperatures that ectotherms often have to function with. Blue blood is an evolutionary advantage for animals with low or changing body temperatures.



                  It has been suggested that warm-bloodedness helped mammals (and birds) better cope with fluctuating temperatures during Earth's history. If that is correct, cold-bloodedness (and blue blood) would have led to the extinction of mammals.





                  Other sources:




                  • German wikipedia articles on body temperature and hemocyanin.






                  share|improve this answer








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                  I want to support @anon's answer of



                  Probably not



                  and substantiate their assumption with scientific fact:



                  Hemoglobin (red) is better at transporting oxygen at the body temperature of mammals (around 38°C). It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for a mammal to have hemocyanin, because it would suffer from permanent "lack of oxygen" relative to other mammals with hemoglobin. Think of the blue-blooded antelope being out of breath more quickly than the red-blooded antelope. The lions would eat all the blue-blooded antelopes first.



                  Hemocyanin is better at transporting oxygen at the low body temperatures that ectotherms often have to function with. Blue blood is an evolutionary advantage for animals with low or changing body temperatures.



                  It has been suggested that warm-bloodedness helped mammals (and birds) better cope with fluctuating temperatures during Earth's history. If that is correct, cold-bloodedness (and blue blood) would have led to the extinction of mammals.





                  Other sources:




                  • German wikipedia articles on body temperature and hemocyanin.







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