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I'm trying to simplify the following equation:



$y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$



I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.



For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.






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    I'm trying to simplify the following equation:



    $y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$



    I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.



    For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.






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      I'm trying to simplify the following equation:



      $y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$



      I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.



      For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.






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      I'm trying to simplify the following equation:



      $y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$



      I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.



      For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.






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          $$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$






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            Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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            If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
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          After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
          $$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$






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            $$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$






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              If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
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            $$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$






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              Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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            $$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$






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            $$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$







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              Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
              $endgroup$
              – coreyman317
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            • $begingroup$
              Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
              $endgroup$
              – Maarten Baert
              2 hours ago








            • 1




              $begingroup$
              If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
              $endgroup$
              – coreyman317
              2 hours ago
















            $begingroup$
            Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
            $endgroup$
            – Maarten Baert
            2 hours ago






            $begingroup$
            Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
            $endgroup$
            – Maarten Baert
            2 hours ago






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            $begingroup$
            If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
            $endgroup$
            – coreyman317
            2 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
            $endgroup$
            – coreyman317
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            After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
            $$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$






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              After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
              $$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$






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                After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
                $$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$






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