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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. I am located in Pakistan and I was headhunted for this offer. But I do not wish to leave my current job—it has only been around a year since I started my current job—and in a month I will be getting my (annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything. I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



FWIW, I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job.










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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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    Nov 20 at 15:47






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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    Nov 20 at 19:46






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    @JakeGould I have an offer letter in hand and just have to send it to them after signing it.
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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. I am located in Pakistan and I was headhunted for this offer. But I do not wish to leave my current job—it has only been around a year since I started my current job—and in a month I will be getting my (annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything. I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



FWIW, I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job.










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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
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    Nov 20 at 14:47






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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    Nov 20 at 15:42






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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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    Nov 20 at 15:47






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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    @JakeGould I have an offer letter in hand and just have to send it to them after signing it.
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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. I am located in Pakistan and I was headhunted for this offer. But I do not wish to leave my current job—it has only been around a year since I started my current job—and in a month I will be getting my (annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything. I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



FWIW, I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job.










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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. I am located in Pakistan and I was headhunted for this offer. But I do not wish to leave my current job—it has only been around a year since I started my current job—and in a month I will be getting my (annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything. I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



FWIW, I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job.







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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
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    Nov 20 at 14:47






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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    Nov 20 at 15:42






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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
    – mega6382
    Nov 20 at 15:47






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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    Nov 20 at 19:46






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    @JakeGould I have an offer letter in hand and just have to send it to them after signing it.
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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
    – mega6382
    Nov 20 at 14:47






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
    – dyeje
    Nov 20 at 15:42






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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
    – mega6382
    Nov 20 at 15:47






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
    – Dukeling
    Nov 20 at 19:46






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    @JakeGould I have an offer letter in hand and just have to send it to them after signing it.
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    Nov 23 at 4:40








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@Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
– mega6382
Nov 20 at 14:47




@Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
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It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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@dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
– mega6382
Nov 20 at 15:47




@dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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@JakeGould I have an offer letter in hand and just have to send it to them after signing it.
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Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



The best approaches would be:




  • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


  • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


  • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


  • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



Here's why.




  1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

  2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

  3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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    On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
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    Nov 21 at 18:37






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    There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
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    @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
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    Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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    I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
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I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



Now, for the caveats:




  1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
    organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

  2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
    likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
    are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

  3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
    telling the truth.

  4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
    significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
    raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






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    Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
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    This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
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    I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
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  • The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
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  • @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
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How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






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  • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
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    @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
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    An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
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  • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
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    @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
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The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




  • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

  • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






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  • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
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    If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
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  • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
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  • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
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    @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
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"Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






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  • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
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    You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
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    To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
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    @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
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    @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
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You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
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    When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



    Here's a list of things that I did.





    1. Market research.



      I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.




    2. Organized planning and delivery.



      I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




    3. Know what you're talking about.



      My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



      I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



      The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.








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      Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



      "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



      Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



      Industry



      I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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        How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




        An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



        You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




        1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

        2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

        3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


        With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



          Here's how I would do it:



          Step 0a: Get Over It



          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



          Step 0b: Plan



          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



          Step 1: Submit your Notice



          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



          Step 2: Negotiate



          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
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            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
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          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
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          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
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            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
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          A lot of different answers here, but the solution—from my perspective—is to simply stay at your new job. Why? Easy!



          You will be getting a 20% raise at the current job and—with that in mind—in 3-5 years your overall salary might increase to around 60% by then anyway. So why quit a job you know to go into an unknown place for a 60% pay increase.



          The reason being is unless you are being paid a really low salary right now, you need to ask yourself: Why is the other company offering you 60% more than what you are getting now? And how long will you last there? And a 20% per year pay increase is about 15% higher than the 5% per year increase most of the world deals with; 20% is 300% more than the typical pay increase most of us deal with.



          The reason being is that in the tech industry while consistently high salaries do indeed exist, a lot of high paying tech jobs lure people in to only burn them out in 6 to 9 months. So what is the value of a 60% increase in pay if in 6 to 9 months you want to quit due to work stress and general health issues?



          Unless both of these jobs offer the same exact level of work with the same exact level of work expectations and environment, I would advise you to not quit your current job. Again, a 20% incense in salary per year is excellent. 60% increase in a new offer could just be a carrot on a stick to lure you into a bad job that will stress you out in less than a year.



          And here is an edit based on this comment made by the original poster:




          “I am from Pakistan, I was headhunted and I believe the reason for them giving me such a high salary is that I have specific experience in the techs they are using. And the reason it is 60% is because that the total amount I told them and they said yes.”




          You got headhunted, demanded higher pay and got exactly what you asked for? Sounds fishy as heck.



          Do you genuinely have an actual offer from this other company? Have you met with people? Been interviewed? Have a contract in hand? Because if the whole premise of this question is based on a promise made by a recruiter without an actual contract in hand, this is all “puffery” and nonsense. Don’t sabotage your role with your current employer because of promises that are “too good to be true” made by a recruiter who only has their best interests (and not yours) in mind.






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            In the existing business scenario all employers deal with their workers in the same context. They always look reluctant to give due benefits to employees unless they have no other option. In your case you have already high salary offer and you still don't want to leave the company. If you feel that you have established your worth than you must claim your boss for increased salary upto your desire on the basis of your performance. After detailed negotiations in case your boss did not agree with your demand than as a last resort you should show him your new job offer letter with offered salary details. In most of the chances on the basis of your performance he will offer your at least near to your new job offer.



            In case he still not accommodate you as per your desire than it is right choice to join the new setup to avail more career appourtunities.






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              Most answers seem to focus on the US where the potential consequences for upsetting your employer (being fired/replaced) are much more severe than in the EU, where you can't simply be dismissed because they think you are not loyal.



              The best way to pitch it is that you want to advance your career and need to earn more to achieve your goals. Say that you would prefer to do it at your current company but there needs to be a clear path, which involves keeping up with market rates for remuneration as well as other career building things like goals, learning new technologies and promotion.



              In other words, show that you don't just want more money, you want recognition for your value and you want to progress.



              Be aware though that there might simply not be a business case for paying you that much to do the job you do. You can counter that by offering to accept more responsibility or adding more value some other way, or you can just accept it and move on.



              In the EU you are unlikely to be punished for this. Employment laws will protect you from reprisal.






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                Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



                The best approaches would be:




                • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


                • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


                • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


                • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



                If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



                One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



                NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



                Here's why.




                1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

                2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

                3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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                  On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                  – Carl Witthoft
                  Nov 21 at 18:37






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                  There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 21 at 19:01






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                  @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
                  – Richard U
                  Nov 21 at 19:09






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                  Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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                  I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
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                Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



                The best approaches would be:




                • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


                • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


                • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


                • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



                If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



                One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



                NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



                Here's why.




                1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

                2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

                3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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                  On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                  – Carl Witthoft
                  Nov 21 at 18:37






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                  There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 21 at 19:01






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                  @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
                  – Richard U
                  Nov 21 at 19:09






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                  Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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                  I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
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                Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



                The best approaches would be:




                • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


                • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


                • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


                • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



                If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



                One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



                NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



                Here's why.




                1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

                2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

                3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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                Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



                The best approaches would be:




                • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


                • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


                • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


                • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



                If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



                One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



                NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



                Here's why.




                1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

                2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

                3. Your coworkers will resent you.







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                  On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                  – Carl Witthoft
                  Nov 21 at 18:37






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                  There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 21 at 19:01






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                  @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
                  – Richard U
                  Nov 21 at 19:09






                • 13




                  Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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                  I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
                  – usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
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                • 51




                  On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                  – Carl Witthoft
                  Nov 21 at 18:37






                • 4




                  There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 21 at 19:01






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                  @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
                  – Richard U
                  Nov 21 at 19:09






                • 13




                  Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
                  – Ares
                  Nov 21 at 20:26








                • 3




                  I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
                  – usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
                  Nov 23 at 11:02








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                On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                – Carl Witthoft
                Nov 21 at 18:37




                On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
                – Carl Witthoft
                Nov 21 at 18:37




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                There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                – Julie in Austin
                Nov 21 at 19:01




                There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
                – Julie in Austin
                Nov 21 at 19:01




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                @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
                – Richard U
                Nov 21 at 19:09




                @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
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                Nov 21 at 19:09




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                13




                Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
                – Ares
                Nov 21 at 20:26






                Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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                I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
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                Nov 23 at 11:02




                I do not agree on #3. Coworkers do not necessarily need to know about your recent raise. HR should keep salary information private
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                I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



                I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



                My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



                They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



                Now, for the caveats:




                1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
                  organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

                2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
                  likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
                  are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

                3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
                  telling the truth.

                4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
                  significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
                  raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






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                  Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
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                  This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
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                  I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                  – johncip
                  Nov 21 at 20:56










                • The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 27 at 19:14










                • @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                  – Kevin
                  Nov 27 at 19:30
















                57














                I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



                I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



                My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



                They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



                Now, for the caveats:




                1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
                  organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

                2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
                  likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
                  are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

                3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
                  telling the truth.

                4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
                  significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
                  raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






                share|improve this answer

















                • 4




                  Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
                  – Crowley
                  Nov 20 at 18:34






                • 7




                  This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
                  – Adrian McCarthy
                  Nov 20 at 19:17






                • 5




                  I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                  – johncip
                  Nov 21 at 20:56










                • The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 27 at 19:14










                • @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                  – Kevin
                  Nov 27 at 19:30














                57












                57








                57






                I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



                I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



                My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



                They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



                Now, for the caveats:




                1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
                  organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

                2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
                  likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
                  are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

                3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
                  telling the truth.

                4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
                  significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
                  raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






                share|improve this answer












                I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



                I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



                My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



                They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



                Now, for the caveats:




                1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
                  organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

                2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
                  likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
                  are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

                3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
                  telling the truth.

                4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
                  significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
                  raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.







                share|improve this answer












                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer










                answered Nov 20 at 18:05









                Kevin

                2,70521117




                2,70521117








                • 4




                  Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
                  – Crowley
                  Nov 20 at 18:34






                • 7




                  This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
                  – Adrian McCarthy
                  Nov 20 at 19:17






                • 5




                  I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                  – johncip
                  Nov 21 at 20:56










                • The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 27 at 19:14










                • @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                  – Kevin
                  Nov 27 at 19:30














                • 4




                  Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
                  – Crowley
                  Nov 20 at 18:34






                • 7




                  This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
                  – Adrian McCarthy
                  Nov 20 at 19:17






                • 5




                  I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                  – johncip
                  Nov 21 at 20:56










                • The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                  – Julie in Austin
                  Nov 27 at 19:14










                • @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                  – Kevin
                  Nov 27 at 19:30








                4




                4




                Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
                – Crowley
                Nov 20 at 18:34




                Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
                – Crowley
                Nov 20 at 18:34




                7




                7




                This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
                – Adrian McCarthy
                Nov 20 at 19:17




                This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
                – Adrian McCarthy
                Nov 20 at 19:17




                5




                5




                I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                – johncip
                Nov 21 at 20:56




                I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
                – johncip
                Nov 21 at 20:56












                The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                – Julie in Austin
                Nov 27 at 19:14




                The "rules" for early-career employees are different enough that this advice is really good for people early in their career, but horrible for people who are a ways along. If someone came to me and said "I have an offer of $XXXXX and I'd like you to meet it" I'd ask them to explain, in detail, what additional effort and skills they were willing to commit to performing. If they stepped up to additional work, or were working outside their original assignment, I'd like to see that as well. We all want more money. AND, ones employer isn't a charity.
                – Julie in Austin
                Nov 27 at 19:14












                @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                – Kevin
                Nov 27 at 19:30




                @JulieinAustin If you put in an offer on a house, and then your realtor came to you and said someone else had put in a higher offer, would you go to the seller and ask them what they are going to add to the house to get you to put in a higher offer?
                – Kevin
                Nov 27 at 19:30











                38















                How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




                The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



                You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



                By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



                As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



                People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



                Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



                It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



                If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






                share|improve this answer























                • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:50






                • 2




                  @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 15:04






                • 1




                  An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                  – Spratty
                  Nov 20 at 16:46










                • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 18:09






                • 8




                  @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                  – MonkeyZeus
                  Nov 20 at 18:11


















                38















                How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




                The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



                You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



                By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



                As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



                People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



                Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



                It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



                If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






                share|improve this answer























                • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:50






                • 2




                  @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 15:04






                • 1




                  An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                  – Spratty
                  Nov 20 at 16:46










                • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 18:09






                • 8




                  @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                  – MonkeyZeus
                  Nov 20 at 18:11
















                38












                38








                38







                How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




                The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



                You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



                By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



                As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



                People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



                Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



                It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



                If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






                share|improve this answer















                How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




                The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



                You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



                By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



                As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



                People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



                Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



                It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



                If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.







                share|improve this answer














                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer








                edited Nov 20 at 15:54

























                answered Nov 20 at 14:45









                mcknz

                16.5k65770




                16.5k65770












                • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:50






                • 2




                  @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 15:04






                • 1




                  An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                  – Spratty
                  Nov 20 at 16:46










                • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 18:09






                • 8




                  @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                  – MonkeyZeus
                  Nov 20 at 18:11




















                • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:50






                • 2




                  @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 15:04






                • 1




                  An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                  – Spratty
                  Nov 20 at 16:46










                • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                  – mcknz
                  Nov 20 at 18:09






                • 8




                  @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                  – MonkeyZeus
                  Nov 20 at 18:11


















                I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 14:50




                I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 14:50




                2




                2




                @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                – mcknz
                Nov 20 at 15:04




                @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
                – mcknz
                Nov 20 at 15:04




                1




                1




                An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                – Spratty
                Nov 20 at 16:46




                An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
                – Spratty
                Nov 20 at 16:46












                @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                – mcknz
                Nov 20 at 18:09




                @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
                – mcknz
                Nov 20 at 18:09




                8




                8




                @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                – MonkeyZeus
                Nov 20 at 18:11






                @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
                – MonkeyZeus
                Nov 20 at 18:11













                19














                The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




                • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

                • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


                If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



                Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






                share|improve this answer





















                • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:01






                • 5




                  If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                  – peterj
                  Nov 20 at 17:13










                • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:15










                • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                  – Ian
                  Nov 20 at 18:20






                • 2




                  @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:16
















                19














                The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




                • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

                • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


                If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



                Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






                share|improve this answer





















                • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:01






                • 5




                  If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                  – peterj
                  Nov 20 at 17:13










                • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:15










                • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                  – Ian
                  Nov 20 at 18:20






                • 2




                  @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:16














                19












                19








                19






                The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




                • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

                • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


                If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



                Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






                share|improve this answer












                The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




                • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

                • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


                If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



                Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.







                share|improve this answer












                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer










                answered Nov 20 at 16:57









                peterj

                1993




                1993












                • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:01






                • 5




                  If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                  – peterj
                  Nov 20 at 17:13










                • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:15










                • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                  – Ian
                  Nov 20 at 18:20






                • 2




                  @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:16


















                • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:01






                • 5




                  If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                  – peterj
                  Nov 20 at 17:13










                • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 17:15










                • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                  – Ian
                  Nov 20 at 18:20






                • 2




                  @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:16
















                You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 17:01




                You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 17:01




                5




                5




                If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                – peterj
                Nov 20 at 17:13




                If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
                – peterj
                Nov 20 at 17:13












                Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 17:15




                Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 17:15












                This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                – Ian
                Nov 20 at 18:20




                This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
                – Ian
                Nov 20 at 18:20




                2




                2




                @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                – Aaron
                Nov 20 at 22:16




                @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
                – Aaron
                Nov 20 at 22:16











                8














                "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



                It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



                60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






                share|improve this answer





















                • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                  – Morons
                  Nov 20 at 14:30






                • 10




                  You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                  – rath
                  Nov 20 at 14:33






                • 3




                  To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:41






                • 3




                  @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                  – a CVn
                  Nov 20 at 15:28






                • 1




                  @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:04
















                8














                "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



                It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



                60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






                share|improve this answer





















                • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                  – Morons
                  Nov 20 at 14:30






                • 10




                  You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                  – rath
                  Nov 20 at 14:33






                • 3




                  To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:41






                • 3




                  @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                  – a CVn
                  Nov 20 at 15:28






                • 1




                  @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:04














                8












                8








                8






                "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



                It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



                60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






                share|improve this answer












                "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



                It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



                60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?







                share|improve this answer












                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer










                answered Nov 20 at 14:23









                dwizum

                11.7k52744




                11.7k52744












                • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                  – Morons
                  Nov 20 at 14:30






                • 10




                  You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                  – rath
                  Nov 20 at 14:33






                • 3




                  To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:41






                • 3




                  @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                  – a CVn
                  Nov 20 at 15:28






                • 1




                  @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:04


















                • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                  – Morons
                  Nov 20 at 14:30






                • 10




                  You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                  – rath
                  Nov 20 at 14:33






                • 3




                  To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                  – mega6382
                  Nov 20 at 14:41






                • 3




                  @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                  – a CVn
                  Nov 20 at 15:28






                • 1




                  @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                  – Aaron
                  Nov 20 at 22:04
















                +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                – Morons
                Nov 20 at 14:30




                +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
                – Morons
                Nov 20 at 14:30




                10




                10




                You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                – rath
                Nov 20 at 14:33




                You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
                – rath
                Nov 20 at 14:33




                3




                3




                To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 14:41




                To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
                – mega6382
                Nov 20 at 14:41




                3




                3




                @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                – a CVn
                Nov 20 at 15:28




                @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
                – a CVn
                Nov 20 at 15:28




                1




                1




                @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                – Aaron
                Nov 20 at 22:04




                @mega6382 Note you might not get even 20%. Maybe maybe not. Lies are common. I was once told I would get a promotion because of my great work as soon as the position could be opened or created; that lie continued for years. Eventually it was created, given to an outsider, and I was told previous promises were not binding and one consideration was that I'm already a skilled worker for less $, so it makes business sense to hire more high skill to that job instead of move me then hire lower skill to my previous position. Plan backfired, as I refused to train the new guy and left shortly after.
                – Aaron
                Nov 20 at 22:04











                4














                You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



                Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




                Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
                do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
                negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







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                  You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



                  Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




                  Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
                  do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
                  negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







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                    You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



                    Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




                    Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
                    do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
                    negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







                    share|improve this answer












                    You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



                    Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




                    Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
                    do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
                    negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?








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                        When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                        Here's a list of things that I did.





                        1. Market research.



                          I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.




                        2. Organized planning and delivery.



                          I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                        3. Know what you're talking about.



                          My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                          I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                          The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.








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                          When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                          Here's a list of things that I did.





                          1. Market research.



                            I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.




                          2. Organized planning and delivery.



                            I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                          3. Know what you're talking about.



                            My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                            I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                            The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.








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                            When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                            Here's a list of things that I did.





                            1. Market research.



                              I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.




                            2. Organized planning and delivery.



                              I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                            3. Know what you're talking about.



                              My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                              I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                              The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.








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                            When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                            Here's a list of things that I did.





                            1. Market research.



                              I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.




                            2. Organized planning and delivery.



                              I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                            3. Know what you're talking about.



                              My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                              I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                              The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.









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                            Steve

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                                Market Worth



                                Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                                "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                                Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                                Industry



                                I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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                                  Market Worth



                                  Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                                  "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                                  Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                                  Industry



                                  I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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                                    Market Worth



                                    Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                                    "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                                    Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                                    Industry



                                    I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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                                    Market Worth



                                    Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                                    "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                                    Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                                    Industry



                                    I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.







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                                        How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                                        An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                                        You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                                        1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                                        2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                                        3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                                        With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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                                          How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                                          An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                                          You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                                          1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                                          2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                                          3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                                          With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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                                            How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                                            An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                                            You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                                            1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                                            2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                                            3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                                            With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






                                            share|improve this answer















                                            How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                                            An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                                            You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                                            1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                                            2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                                            3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                                            With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.







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                                            Dan

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                                                It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                                Here's how I would do it:



                                                Step 0a: Get Over It



                                                Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                                That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                                You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                                Step 0b: Plan



                                                Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                                Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                                Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                                Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                                This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                                Step 2: Negotiate



                                                Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                                I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                                But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                                And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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                                                • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                  – mega6382
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                                                  @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
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                                                • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
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                                                  Nov 20 at 15:00










                                                • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:12






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                                                  @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
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                                                It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                                Here's how I would do it:



                                                Step 0a: Get Over It



                                                Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                                That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                                You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                                Step 0b: Plan



                                                Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                                Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                                Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                                Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                                This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                                Step 2: Negotiate



                                                Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                                I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                                But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                                And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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                                                • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:55






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                                                  @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:57












                                                • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:00










                                                • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:12






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                                                  @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
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                                                It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                                Here's how I would do it:



                                                Step 0a: Get Over It



                                                Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                                That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                                You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                                Step 0b: Plan



                                                Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                                Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                                Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                                Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                                This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                                Step 2: Negotiate



                                                Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                                I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                                But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                                And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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                                                It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                                Here's how I would do it:



                                                Step 0a: Get Over It



                                                Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                                That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                                You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                                Step 0b: Plan



                                                Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                                Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                                Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                                Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                                This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                                Step 2: Negotiate



                                                Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                                I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                                But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                                And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.







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                                                • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:55






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                                                  @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:57












                                                • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:00










                                                • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:12






                                                • 1




                                                  @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 16:50




















                                                • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:55






                                                • 1




                                                  @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 14:57












                                                • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:00










                                                • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                  – mega6382
                                                  Nov 20 at 15:12






                                                • 1




                                                  @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                                  – rath
                                                  Nov 20 at 16:50


















                                                Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                – mega6382
                                                Nov 20 at 14:55




                                                Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                                – mega6382
                                                Nov 20 at 14:55




                                                1




                                                1




                                                @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 14:57






                                                @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 14:57














                                                @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 15:00




                                                @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 15:00












                                                No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                – mega6382
                                                Nov 20 at 15:12




                                                No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                                – mega6382
                                                Nov 20 at 15:12




                                                1




                                                1




                                                @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 16:50






                                                @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                                – rath
                                                Nov 20 at 16:50













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                                                A lot of different answers here, but the solution—from my perspective—is to simply stay at your new job. Why? Easy!



                                                You will be getting a 20% raise at the current job and—with that in mind—in 3-5 years your overall salary might increase to around 60% by then anyway. So why quit a job you know to go into an unknown place for a 60% pay increase.



                                                The reason being is unless you are being paid a really low salary right now, you need to ask yourself: Why is the other company offering you 60% more than what you are getting now? And how long will you last there? And a 20% per year pay increase is about 15% higher than the 5% per year increase most of the world deals with; 20% is 300% more than the typical pay increase most of us deal with.



                                                The reason being is that in the tech industry while consistently high salaries do indeed exist, a lot of high paying tech jobs lure people in to only burn them out in 6 to 9 months. So what is the value of a 60% increase in pay if in 6 to 9 months you want to quit due to work stress and general health issues?



                                                Unless both of these jobs offer the same exact level of work with the same exact level of work expectations and environment, I would advise you to not quit your current job. Again, a 20% incense in salary per year is excellent. 60% increase in a new offer could just be a carrot on a stick to lure you into a bad job that will stress you out in less than a year.



                                                And here is an edit based on this comment made by the original poster:




                                                “I am from Pakistan, I was headhunted and I believe the reason for them giving me such a high salary is that I have specific experience in the techs they are using. And the reason it is 60% is because that the total amount I told them and they said yes.”




                                                You got headhunted, demanded higher pay and got exactly what you asked for? Sounds fishy as heck.



                                                Do you genuinely have an actual offer from this other company? Have you met with people? Been interviewed? Have a contract in hand? Because if the whole premise of this question is based on a promise made by a recruiter without an actual contract in hand, this is all “puffery” and nonsense. Don’t sabotage your role with your current employer because of promises that are “too good to be true” made by a recruiter who only has their best interests (and not yours) in mind.






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                                                  A lot of different answers here, but the solution—from my perspective—is to simply stay at your new job. Why? Easy!



                                                  You will be getting a 20% raise at the current job and—with that in mind—in 3-5 years your overall salary might increase to around 60% by then anyway. So why quit a job you know to go into an unknown place for a 60% pay increase.



                                                  The reason being is unless you are being paid a really low salary right now, you need to ask yourself: Why is the other company offering you 60% more than what you are getting now? And how long will you last there? And a 20% per year pay increase is about 15% higher than the 5% per year increase most of the world deals with; 20% is 300% more than the typical pay increase most of us deal with.



                                                  The reason being is that in the tech industry while consistently high salaries do indeed exist, a lot of high paying tech jobs lure people in to only burn them out in 6 to 9 months. So what is the value of a 60% increase in pay if in 6 to 9 months you want to quit due to work stress and general health issues?



                                                  Unless both of these jobs offer the same exact level of work with the same exact level of work expectations and environment, I would advise you to not quit your current job. Again, a 20% incense in salary per year is excellent. 60% increase in a new offer could just be a carrot on a stick to lure you into a bad job that will stress you out in less than a year.



                                                  And here is an edit based on this comment made by the original poster:




                                                  “I am from Pakistan, I was headhunted and I believe the reason for them giving me such a high salary is that I have specific experience in the techs they are using. And the reason it is 60% is because that the total amount I told them and they said yes.”




                                                  You got headhunted, demanded higher pay and got exactly what you asked for? Sounds fishy as heck.



                                                  Do you genuinely have an actual offer from this other company? Have you met with people? Been interviewed? Have a contract in hand? Because if the whole premise of this question is based on a promise made by a recruiter without an actual contract in hand, this is all “puffery” and nonsense. Don’t sabotage your role with your current employer because of promises that are “too good to be true” made by a recruiter who only has their best interests (and not yours) in mind.






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                                                    A lot of different answers here, but the solution—from my perspective—is to simply stay at your new job. Why? Easy!



                                                    You will be getting a 20% raise at the current job and—with that in mind—in 3-5 years your overall salary might increase to around 60% by then anyway. So why quit a job you know to go into an unknown place for a 60% pay increase.



                                                    The reason being is unless you are being paid a really low salary right now, you need to ask yourself: Why is the other company offering you 60% more than what you are getting now? And how long will you last there? And a 20% per year pay increase is about 15% higher than the 5% per year increase most of the world deals with; 20% is 300% more than the typical pay increase most of us deal with.



                                                    The reason being is that in the tech industry while consistently high salaries do indeed exist, a lot of high paying tech jobs lure people in to only burn them out in 6 to 9 months. So what is the value of a 60% increase in pay if in 6 to 9 months you want to quit due to work stress and general health issues?



                                                    Unless both of these jobs offer the same exact level of work with the same exact level of work expectations and environment, I would advise you to not quit your current job. Again, a 20% incense in salary per year is excellent. 60% increase in a new offer could just be a carrot on a stick to lure you into a bad job that will stress you out in less than a year.



                                                    And here is an edit based on this comment made by the original poster:




                                                    “I am from Pakistan, I was headhunted and I believe the reason for them giving me such a high salary is that I have specific experience in the techs they are using. And the reason it is 60% is because that the total amount I told them and they said yes.”




                                                    You got headhunted, demanded higher pay and got exactly what you asked for? Sounds fishy as heck.



                                                    Do you genuinely have an actual offer from this other company? Have you met with people? Been interviewed? Have a contract in hand? Because if the whole premise of this question is based on a promise made by a recruiter without an actual contract in hand, this is all “puffery” and nonsense. Don’t sabotage your role with your current employer because of promises that are “too good to be true” made by a recruiter who only has their best interests (and not yours) in mind.






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                                                    A lot of different answers here, but the solution—from my perspective—is to simply stay at your new job. Why? Easy!



                                                    You will be getting a 20% raise at the current job and—with that in mind—in 3-5 years your overall salary might increase to around 60% by then anyway. So why quit a job you know to go into an unknown place for a 60% pay increase.



                                                    The reason being is unless you are being paid a really low salary right now, you need to ask yourself: Why is the other company offering you 60% more than what you are getting now? And how long will you last there? And a 20% per year pay increase is about 15% higher than the 5% per year increase most of the world deals with; 20% is 300% more than the typical pay increase most of us deal with.



                                                    The reason being is that in the tech industry while consistently high salaries do indeed exist, a lot of high paying tech jobs lure people in to only burn them out in 6 to 9 months. So what is the value of a 60% increase in pay if in 6 to 9 months you want to quit due to work stress and general health issues?



                                                    Unless both of these jobs offer the same exact level of work with the same exact level of work expectations and environment, I would advise you to not quit your current job. Again, a 20% incense in salary per year is excellent. 60% increase in a new offer could just be a carrot on a stick to lure you into a bad job that will stress you out in less than a year.



                                                    And here is an edit based on this comment made by the original poster:




                                                    “I am from Pakistan, I was headhunted and I believe the reason for them giving me such a high salary is that I have specific experience in the techs they are using. And the reason it is 60% is because that the total amount I told them and they said yes.”




                                                    You got headhunted, demanded higher pay and got exactly what you asked for? Sounds fishy as heck.



                                                    Do you genuinely have an actual offer from this other company? Have you met with people? Been interviewed? Have a contract in hand? Because if the whole premise of this question is based on a promise made by a recruiter without an actual contract in hand, this is all “puffery” and nonsense. Don’t sabotage your role with your current employer because of promises that are “too good to be true” made by a recruiter who only has their best interests (and not yours) in mind.







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                                                        In the existing business scenario all employers deal with their workers in the same context. They always look reluctant to give due benefits to employees unless they have no other option. In your case you have already high salary offer and you still don't want to leave the company. If you feel that you have established your worth than you must claim your boss for increased salary upto your desire on the basis of your performance. After detailed negotiations in case your boss did not agree with your demand than as a last resort you should show him your new job offer letter with offered salary details. In most of the chances on the basis of your performance he will offer your at least near to your new job offer.



                                                        In case he still not accommodate you as per your desire than it is right choice to join the new setup to avail more career appourtunities.






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                                                          In the existing business scenario all employers deal with their workers in the same context. They always look reluctant to give due benefits to employees unless they have no other option. In your case you have already high salary offer and you still don't want to leave the company. If you feel that you have established your worth than you must claim your boss for increased salary upto your desire on the basis of your performance. After detailed negotiations in case your boss did not agree with your demand than as a last resort you should show him your new job offer letter with offered salary details. In most of the chances on the basis of your performance he will offer your at least near to your new job offer.



                                                          In case he still not accommodate you as per your desire than it is right choice to join the new setup to avail more career appourtunities.






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                                                            In the existing business scenario all employers deal with their workers in the same context. They always look reluctant to give due benefits to employees unless they have no other option. In your case you have already high salary offer and you still don't want to leave the company. If you feel that you have established your worth than you must claim your boss for increased salary upto your desire on the basis of your performance. After detailed negotiations in case your boss did not agree with your demand than as a last resort you should show him your new job offer letter with offered salary details. In most of the chances on the basis of your performance he will offer your at least near to your new job offer.



                                                            In case he still not accommodate you as per your desire than it is right choice to join the new setup to avail more career appourtunities.






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                                                            In the existing business scenario all employers deal with their workers in the same context. They always look reluctant to give due benefits to employees unless they have no other option. In your case you have already high salary offer and you still don't want to leave the company. If you feel that you have established your worth than you must claim your boss for increased salary upto your desire on the basis of your performance. After detailed negotiations in case your boss did not agree with your demand than as a last resort you should show him your new job offer letter with offered salary details. In most of the chances on the basis of your performance he will offer your at least near to your new job offer.



                                                            In case he still not accommodate you as per your desire than it is right choice to join the new setup to avail more career appourtunities.







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                                                                Most answers seem to focus on the US where the potential consequences for upsetting your employer (being fired/replaced) are much more severe than in the EU, where you can't simply be dismissed because they think you are not loyal.



                                                                The best way to pitch it is that you want to advance your career and need to earn more to achieve your goals. Say that you would prefer to do it at your current company but there needs to be a clear path, which involves keeping up with market rates for remuneration as well as other career building things like goals, learning new technologies and promotion.



                                                                In other words, show that you don't just want more money, you want recognition for your value and you want to progress.



                                                                Be aware though that there might simply not be a business case for paying you that much to do the job you do. You can counter that by offering to accept more responsibility or adding more value some other way, or you can just accept it and move on.



                                                                In the EU you are unlikely to be punished for this. Employment laws will protect you from reprisal.






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                                                                  Most answers seem to focus on the US where the potential consequences for upsetting your employer (being fired/replaced) are much more severe than in the EU, where you can't simply be dismissed because they think you are not loyal.



                                                                  The best way to pitch it is that you want to advance your career and need to earn more to achieve your goals. Say that you would prefer to do it at your current company but there needs to be a clear path, which involves keeping up with market rates for remuneration as well as other career building things like goals, learning new technologies and promotion.



                                                                  In other words, show that you don't just want more money, you want recognition for your value and you want to progress.



                                                                  Be aware though that there might simply not be a business case for paying you that much to do the job you do. You can counter that by offering to accept more responsibility or adding more value some other way, or you can just accept it and move on.



                                                                  In the EU you are unlikely to be punished for this. Employment laws will protect you from reprisal.






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                                                                    Most answers seem to focus on the US where the potential consequences for upsetting your employer (being fired/replaced) are much more severe than in the EU, where you can't simply be dismissed because they think you are not loyal.



                                                                    The best way to pitch it is that you want to advance your career and need to earn more to achieve your goals. Say that you would prefer to do it at your current company but there needs to be a clear path, which involves keeping up with market rates for remuneration as well as other career building things like goals, learning new technologies and promotion.



                                                                    In other words, show that you don't just want more money, you want recognition for your value and you want to progress.



                                                                    Be aware though that there might simply not be a business case for paying you that much to do the job you do. You can counter that by offering to accept more responsibility or adding more value some other way, or you can just accept it and move on.



                                                                    In the EU you are unlikely to be punished for this. Employment laws will protect you from reprisal.






                                                                    share|improve this answer












                                                                    Most answers seem to focus on the US where the potential consequences for upsetting your employer (being fired/replaced) are much more severe than in the EU, where you can't simply be dismissed because they think you are not loyal.



                                                                    The best way to pitch it is that you want to advance your career and need to earn more to achieve your goals. Say that you would prefer to do it at your current company but there needs to be a clear path, which involves keeping up with market rates for remuneration as well as other career building things like goals, learning new technologies and promotion.



                                                                    In other words, show that you don't just want more money, you want recognition for your value and you want to progress.



                                                                    Be aware though that there might simply not be a business case for paying you that much to do the job you do. You can counter that by offering to accept more responsibility or adding more value some other way, or you can just accept it and move on.



                                                                    In the EU you are unlikely to be punished for this. Employment laws will protect you from reprisal.







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