Medieval airlocks, would they be possible?
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
In terms of context, this airlock would be used on airships which fly at a height in which oxygen levels are too low for humans to live. Within the hull of the airship, stored oxygen would be pumped inside and kept within through insulated walls. However, many still need to go out on to the deck. This would need to be done without the oxygen inside being lost and the inside of the ship being depressurized, and thus, an airlock is needed.
However, as this takes place in a semi-medieval world, would something like this be possible to construct given the technology and knowledge available?
Note that the people creating this would have advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses as a whole, as well as mechanical technology that consists of levers and pullies.
magic technology medieval
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
In terms of context, this airlock would be used on airships which fly at a height in which oxygen levels are too low for humans to live. Within the hull of the airship, stored oxygen would be pumped inside and kept within through insulated walls. However, many still need to go out on to the deck. This would need to be done without the oxygen inside being lost and the inside of the ship being depressurized, and thus, an airlock is needed.
However, as this takes place in a semi-medieval world, would something like this be possible to construct given the technology and knowledge available?
Note that the people creating this would have advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses as a whole, as well as mechanical technology that consists of levers and pullies.
magic technology medieval
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
1
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
In terms of context, this airlock would be used on airships which fly at a height in which oxygen levels are too low for humans to live. Within the hull of the airship, stored oxygen would be pumped inside and kept within through insulated walls. However, many still need to go out on to the deck. This would need to be done without the oxygen inside being lost and the inside of the ship being depressurized, and thus, an airlock is needed.
However, as this takes place in a semi-medieval world, would something like this be possible to construct given the technology and knowledge available?
Note that the people creating this would have advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses as a whole, as well as mechanical technology that consists of levers and pullies.
magic technology medieval
In terms of context, this airlock would be used on airships which fly at a height in which oxygen levels are too low for humans to live. Within the hull of the airship, stored oxygen would be pumped inside and kept within through insulated walls. However, many still need to go out on to the deck. This would need to be done without the oxygen inside being lost and the inside of the ship being depressurized, and thus, an airlock is needed.
However, as this takes place in a semi-medieval world, would something like this be possible to construct given the technology and knowledge available?
Note that the people creating this would have advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses as a whole, as well as mechanical technology that consists of levers and pullies.
magic technology medieval
magic technology medieval
edited 2 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
70.3k22168339
70.3k22168339
asked 2 hours ago
Unhappymarshmellow
779519
779519
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
1
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago
add a comment |
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
1
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
1
1
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
No, you can't build something like that with medieval technologies.
First of all, a medieval ship is made of wood. Assembling wood to make it airtight can hardly work, for a series of reasons:
- large manufacturing tolerances
- deformation over time
- deformation under stress (a pressurized vessel acts like a balloon)
Same holds for doors and windows. Moreover, while you could use pitch for sealing the gaps between fixed parts, you would have no way to seal the gaps with a movable part (like the door and its frame).
Then we come to the other problem: lacking any electronic you could only pump Oxygen with no control on the flow.
Pumping Oxygen in an environment made of wood with no control is a really poor idea, as the slightest ignition source can cause a huge fire. And guess what they used in medieval time for lighting applications? Flames!
Last problem: how would you separate Oxygen from the air? You have just elementary pumps and loose tolerances for metal crafting, and storing liquid gases requires way more than that.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Modern airlock uses rubber seals.
Your people can use leather with some padding inside, or same material as the airship envelope, inflated using the same means.
Couple questions for you: once out of airlock, how will the person breathe? Oxygen tanks are way beyond medieval technology. Maybe they can trail an air hose, but that requires better materials than door seal
Also, if air is too thin to breathe, it might be too thin to support an airship. You would need to carry composed gas and realise it into the envelope when going up, and when going down, you would waste it into outside air, or try to pump it back into the tanks. And compressing air is beyond medieval technology.
Finally, how well you move around without an engine? Pedal power?
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Since your airship is still in atmosphere a perfect seal isnt neccesary unless your pressurized ship plans to stay up that high for days at a time. Using medieval materials like tar, pitch, cork, and rubber can give you a reasonable, but not perfect seal. You’ll be leaking atmosphere, but thats not a huge problem unless you plan to stay up indefinitely.
If your people have mastered airship technology then perhaps they have pressure vessels as well? Several canisters of pressurized air could help extend the length of time you can spend up so high.
New contributor
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Yes, it is possible to use medieval technology to make an airlock.
Goldbeating is an ancient technology. It can be used to make thin, continuous sheets of metal, including cheaper metals like copper or brass. The interior of the airlock can be "gilded" with this "imitation leaf" to minimize air loss through the walls. Ideally, the leaf would be protected from damage on both sides by sturdier materials.
Vacuum-tight gaskets can be made using metal. In fact, the "hardest" vacuums are retained by metal gaskets, not rubber gaskets. The fundamental technologies for making a "knife-edge" gasket are knife making, vises or clamps, and copper billets. Medieval metal workers should be capable of making such gaskets.
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
It might be possible to create an airlock using pitch. Pitch is the black, tarry substance used by Egyptians in 3000 BC to make the bottom of their boats water-tight. Assuming some alien technology already built the hull of the spaceship, the medieval humans could make a large air lock door out of plate armor pieces, with the edges sealed using pitch. Cam levers (like bicycle quick-release latches) can apply pressure to the door. Hollow reeds can be used to carry air into the airlock. Blacksmith bellows can be used to pump that air.
New contributor
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
No, you can't build something like that with medieval technologies.
First of all, a medieval ship is made of wood. Assembling wood to make it airtight can hardly work, for a series of reasons:
- large manufacturing tolerances
- deformation over time
- deformation under stress (a pressurized vessel acts like a balloon)
Same holds for doors and windows. Moreover, while you could use pitch for sealing the gaps between fixed parts, you would have no way to seal the gaps with a movable part (like the door and its frame).
Then we come to the other problem: lacking any electronic you could only pump Oxygen with no control on the flow.
Pumping Oxygen in an environment made of wood with no control is a really poor idea, as the slightest ignition source can cause a huge fire. And guess what they used in medieval time for lighting applications? Flames!
Last problem: how would you separate Oxygen from the air? You have just elementary pumps and loose tolerances for metal crafting, and storing liquid gases requires way more than that.
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
No, you can't build something like that with medieval technologies.
First of all, a medieval ship is made of wood. Assembling wood to make it airtight can hardly work, for a series of reasons:
- large manufacturing tolerances
- deformation over time
- deformation under stress (a pressurized vessel acts like a balloon)
Same holds for doors and windows. Moreover, while you could use pitch for sealing the gaps between fixed parts, you would have no way to seal the gaps with a movable part (like the door and its frame).
Then we come to the other problem: lacking any electronic you could only pump Oxygen with no control on the flow.
Pumping Oxygen in an environment made of wood with no control is a really poor idea, as the slightest ignition source can cause a huge fire. And guess what they used in medieval time for lighting applications? Flames!
Last problem: how would you separate Oxygen from the air? You have just elementary pumps and loose tolerances for metal crafting, and storing liquid gases requires way more than that.
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
No, you can't build something like that with medieval technologies.
First of all, a medieval ship is made of wood. Assembling wood to make it airtight can hardly work, for a series of reasons:
- large manufacturing tolerances
- deformation over time
- deformation under stress (a pressurized vessel acts like a balloon)
Same holds for doors and windows. Moreover, while you could use pitch for sealing the gaps between fixed parts, you would have no way to seal the gaps with a movable part (like the door and its frame).
Then we come to the other problem: lacking any electronic you could only pump Oxygen with no control on the flow.
Pumping Oxygen in an environment made of wood with no control is a really poor idea, as the slightest ignition source can cause a huge fire. And guess what they used in medieval time for lighting applications? Flames!
Last problem: how would you separate Oxygen from the air? You have just elementary pumps and loose tolerances for metal crafting, and storing liquid gases requires way more than that.
No, you can't build something like that with medieval technologies.
First of all, a medieval ship is made of wood. Assembling wood to make it airtight can hardly work, for a series of reasons:
- large manufacturing tolerances
- deformation over time
- deformation under stress (a pressurized vessel acts like a balloon)
Same holds for doors and windows. Moreover, while you could use pitch for sealing the gaps between fixed parts, you would have no way to seal the gaps with a movable part (like the door and its frame).
Then we come to the other problem: lacking any electronic you could only pump Oxygen with no control on the flow.
Pumping Oxygen in an environment made of wood with no control is a really poor idea, as the slightest ignition source can cause a huge fire. And guess what they used in medieval time for lighting applications? Flames!
Last problem: how would you separate Oxygen from the air? You have just elementary pumps and loose tolerances for metal crafting, and storing liquid gases requires way more than that.
answered 2 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
70.3k22168339
70.3k22168339
add a comment |
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Modern airlock uses rubber seals.
Your people can use leather with some padding inside, or same material as the airship envelope, inflated using the same means.
Couple questions for you: once out of airlock, how will the person breathe? Oxygen tanks are way beyond medieval technology. Maybe they can trail an air hose, but that requires better materials than door seal
Also, if air is too thin to breathe, it might be too thin to support an airship. You would need to carry composed gas and realise it into the envelope when going up, and when going down, you would waste it into outside air, or try to pump it back into the tanks. And compressing air is beyond medieval technology.
Finally, how well you move around without an engine? Pedal power?
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Modern airlock uses rubber seals.
Your people can use leather with some padding inside, or same material as the airship envelope, inflated using the same means.
Couple questions for you: once out of airlock, how will the person breathe? Oxygen tanks are way beyond medieval technology. Maybe they can trail an air hose, but that requires better materials than door seal
Also, if air is too thin to breathe, it might be too thin to support an airship. You would need to carry composed gas and realise it into the envelope when going up, and when going down, you would waste it into outside air, or try to pump it back into the tanks. And compressing air is beyond medieval technology.
Finally, how well you move around without an engine? Pedal power?
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Modern airlock uses rubber seals.
Your people can use leather with some padding inside, or same material as the airship envelope, inflated using the same means.
Couple questions for you: once out of airlock, how will the person breathe? Oxygen tanks are way beyond medieval technology. Maybe they can trail an air hose, but that requires better materials than door seal
Also, if air is too thin to breathe, it might be too thin to support an airship. You would need to carry composed gas and realise it into the envelope when going up, and when going down, you would waste it into outside air, or try to pump it back into the tanks. And compressing air is beyond medieval technology.
Finally, how well you move around without an engine? Pedal power?
Modern airlock uses rubber seals.
Your people can use leather with some padding inside, or same material as the airship envelope, inflated using the same means.
Couple questions for you: once out of airlock, how will the person breathe? Oxygen tanks are way beyond medieval technology. Maybe they can trail an air hose, but that requires better materials than door seal
Also, if air is too thin to breathe, it might be too thin to support an airship. You would need to carry composed gas and realise it into the envelope when going up, and when going down, you would waste it into outside air, or try to pump it back into the tanks. And compressing air is beyond medieval technology.
Finally, how well you move around without an engine? Pedal power?
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
Bald Bear
6,9681027
6,9681027
add a comment |
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Since your airship is still in atmosphere a perfect seal isnt neccesary unless your pressurized ship plans to stay up that high for days at a time. Using medieval materials like tar, pitch, cork, and rubber can give you a reasonable, but not perfect seal. You’ll be leaking atmosphere, but thats not a huge problem unless you plan to stay up indefinitely.
If your people have mastered airship technology then perhaps they have pressure vessels as well? Several canisters of pressurized air could help extend the length of time you can spend up so high.
New contributor
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Since your airship is still in atmosphere a perfect seal isnt neccesary unless your pressurized ship plans to stay up that high for days at a time. Using medieval materials like tar, pitch, cork, and rubber can give you a reasonable, but not perfect seal. You’ll be leaking atmosphere, but thats not a huge problem unless you plan to stay up indefinitely.
If your people have mastered airship technology then perhaps they have pressure vessels as well? Several canisters of pressurized air could help extend the length of time you can spend up so high.
New contributor
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Since your airship is still in atmosphere a perfect seal isnt neccesary unless your pressurized ship plans to stay up that high for days at a time. Using medieval materials like tar, pitch, cork, and rubber can give you a reasonable, but not perfect seal. You’ll be leaking atmosphere, but thats not a huge problem unless you plan to stay up indefinitely.
If your people have mastered airship technology then perhaps they have pressure vessels as well? Several canisters of pressurized air could help extend the length of time you can spend up so high.
New contributor
Since your airship is still in atmosphere a perfect seal isnt neccesary unless your pressurized ship plans to stay up that high for days at a time. Using medieval materials like tar, pitch, cork, and rubber can give you a reasonable, but not perfect seal. You’ll be leaking atmosphere, but thats not a huge problem unless you plan to stay up indefinitely.
If your people have mastered airship technology then perhaps they have pressure vessels as well? Several canisters of pressurized air could help extend the length of time you can spend up so high.
New contributor
New contributor
answered 1 hour ago
Hippeus_Lancer
686
686
New contributor
New contributor
add a comment |
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Yes, it is possible to use medieval technology to make an airlock.
Goldbeating is an ancient technology. It can be used to make thin, continuous sheets of metal, including cheaper metals like copper or brass. The interior of the airlock can be "gilded" with this "imitation leaf" to minimize air loss through the walls. Ideally, the leaf would be protected from damage on both sides by sturdier materials.
Vacuum-tight gaskets can be made using metal. In fact, the "hardest" vacuums are retained by metal gaskets, not rubber gaskets. The fundamental technologies for making a "knife-edge" gasket are knife making, vises or clamps, and copper billets. Medieval metal workers should be capable of making such gaskets.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Yes, it is possible to use medieval technology to make an airlock.
Goldbeating is an ancient technology. It can be used to make thin, continuous sheets of metal, including cheaper metals like copper or brass. The interior of the airlock can be "gilded" with this "imitation leaf" to minimize air loss through the walls. Ideally, the leaf would be protected from damage on both sides by sturdier materials.
Vacuum-tight gaskets can be made using metal. In fact, the "hardest" vacuums are retained by metal gaskets, not rubber gaskets. The fundamental technologies for making a "knife-edge" gasket are knife making, vises or clamps, and copper billets. Medieval metal workers should be capable of making such gaskets.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Yes, it is possible to use medieval technology to make an airlock.
Goldbeating is an ancient technology. It can be used to make thin, continuous sheets of metal, including cheaper metals like copper or brass. The interior of the airlock can be "gilded" with this "imitation leaf" to minimize air loss through the walls. Ideally, the leaf would be protected from damage on both sides by sturdier materials.
Vacuum-tight gaskets can be made using metal. In fact, the "hardest" vacuums are retained by metal gaskets, not rubber gaskets. The fundamental technologies for making a "knife-edge" gasket are knife making, vises or clamps, and copper billets. Medieval metal workers should be capable of making such gaskets.
Yes, it is possible to use medieval technology to make an airlock.
Goldbeating is an ancient technology. It can be used to make thin, continuous sheets of metal, including cheaper metals like copper or brass. The interior of the airlock can be "gilded" with this "imitation leaf" to minimize air loss through the walls. Ideally, the leaf would be protected from damage on both sides by sturdier materials.
Vacuum-tight gaskets can be made using metal. In fact, the "hardest" vacuums are retained by metal gaskets, not rubber gaskets. The fundamental technologies for making a "knife-edge" gasket are knife making, vises or clamps, and copper billets. Medieval metal workers should be capable of making such gaskets.
answered 29 mins ago
Jasper
2,7971024
2,7971024
add a comment |
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
It might be possible to create an airlock using pitch. Pitch is the black, tarry substance used by Egyptians in 3000 BC to make the bottom of their boats water-tight. Assuming some alien technology already built the hull of the spaceship, the medieval humans could make a large air lock door out of plate armor pieces, with the edges sealed using pitch. Cam levers (like bicycle quick-release latches) can apply pressure to the door. Hollow reeds can be used to carry air into the airlock. Blacksmith bellows can be used to pump that air.
New contributor
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
It might be possible to create an airlock using pitch. Pitch is the black, tarry substance used by Egyptians in 3000 BC to make the bottom of their boats water-tight. Assuming some alien technology already built the hull of the spaceship, the medieval humans could make a large air lock door out of plate armor pieces, with the edges sealed using pitch. Cam levers (like bicycle quick-release latches) can apply pressure to the door. Hollow reeds can be used to carry air into the airlock. Blacksmith bellows can be used to pump that air.
New contributor
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
It might be possible to create an airlock using pitch. Pitch is the black, tarry substance used by Egyptians in 3000 BC to make the bottom of their boats water-tight. Assuming some alien technology already built the hull of the spaceship, the medieval humans could make a large air lock door out of plate armor pieces, with the edges sealed using pitch. Cam levers (like bicycle quick-release latches) can apply pressure to the door. Hollow reeds can be used to carry air into the airlock. Blacksmith bellows can be used to pump that air.
New contributor
It might be possible to create an airlock using pitch. Pitch is the black, tarry substance used by Egyptians in 3000 BC to make the bottom of their boats water-tight. Assuming some alien technology already built the hull of the spaceship, the medieval humans could make a large air lock door out of plate armor pieces, with the edges sealed using pitch. Cam levers (like bicycle quick-release latches) can apply pressure to the door. Hollow reeds can be used to carry air into the airlock. Blacksmith bellows can be used to pump that air.
New contributor
New contributor
answered 59 mins ago
hyperion4
1952
1952
New contributor
New contributor
add a comment |
add a comment |
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fworldbuilding.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f131141%2fmedieval-airlocks-would-they-be-possible%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
They have no advanced knowledge of chemicals and gasses, yet they manage to build huge airships capable of rising up 8000+ meters, as well as storing and pumping oxygen..? How?
– dot_Sp0T
55 mins ago
1
If they can separate, pump and store oxygen, an airlock should be a cinch. Just scale up the evacuation chamber of the pump
– nzaman
36 mins ago